The Dialogue of Socrates and Abraham

 

            Socrates:  Why Abraham what business brings you out to the land of Moriah?

            Abraham:  My dear Socrates, I am worshiping my God.  That is what business brings me to this land.  What is it you are doing in such a remote place?

            Socrates:  I am traveling and questioning those whom my path crosses.  I see that you have wood for a sacrifice yet I see no lamb.  Is it not customary to offer a burnt lamb to your God?  If it not be customary than by which new offering do you give to him?

            Abraham:  Yes, Socrates it is normally customary to present a lamb as a sacrifice to the Lord.  However, I am not here for an ordinary sacrifice.

            Socrates:  But then what kind of sacrifice do you offer in return?  How do you know that your Lord shall look favorably upon this new sacrifice you present him?

            Abraham:  I have traveled here under the command of my Lord Socrates.  Several nights ago he spoke to me and said, “Abraham!  Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.”  So see, my God has told me what I am to sacrifice, and now I only have to have the strength to follow his command.

            Socrates:  But Abraham, do you not love your son very much?  And if you do, how could you even consider doing such a thing?

            Abraham:  Yes, I do love my son very much, and that is the reason why I will do what my Lord commanded me to do.  I have faith that that what my Lord asks of me is moral, so I have the strength to do what he asks of me.

            Socrates:  Well, you say you have faith to do as your Lord commands, and you say this faith is what makes your God’s commands moral.  So I must now ask the question of what is faith my good sir?

            Abraham:   I see faith as the confidence I have in the truth and morality of God Socrates.  So my faith reaffirms the morality of the task God has put before me.

            Socrates:  Well yes Abraham, I see where that could be applied.  Yet, I ask you this:  Could faith not be the belief of the unseen?  You tell me that your faith reaffirms the morality of God’s commands, yet I see you with your son about to sacrifice him because God told you to.  It seems to me that no matter how you look upon this task, it cannot be moral.  You say your faith reaffirms that which is moral about God, so then what is the root of God’s morality if your faith only reaffirms this notion?

            Abraham:  Yes, Socrates, for the most part faith is the belief in which you cannot see, but I believe that faith is what reaffirms all that is good about God to us.  To you Socrates it would seem that my sacrifice of my son to appease God would be immoral.  God has not spoken to you yet; you do not see the inherent good in what he says.

            Socrates:  So you are saying that because God commands you to sacrifice your only son, Isaac, you must do it?

            Abraham:  Yes, that is what I am saying.  It is God’s commands that we must follow.

            Socrates:  Then what if God commands us to do something, which we know is against all rational morality?

            Abraham:  God would not do that, and if I entertain your notion and for arguments sake, agree that it could happen then this is what I propose:  If something God decreed came across as against our morals, then our morals must not be correct.  For God is all loving, he would not command us to do immoral things.

            Socrates:  So then is God’s command to be obeyed because he commanded it or are we to obey it because it is moral?  To me it seems, as you have not answered this question clearly, you seem to be using both as a plausible explanation to the morality of your God.

            Abraham:  Well obviously this matter is a little over my head.  I am not as skilled a philosopher as you are Socrates.  I just know that what God asks me to do is the right thing.

            Socrates:  Abraham, you cannot expect me, a man of philosophy as you have just mentioned then to accept you claim on what you feel to be correct.  Even you in your blinded stage of faith must see the fallacies in your argument for the root of God’s morality.  You cannot pinpoint where his morality comes from, whether it is because what he says is moral, or whether it is moral because he says it.  Let us not even talk about the concept of God.  For if you have failed, as I believe you have, in trying to show me where God’s morality comes from, I do not believe you could even begin to fathom where to start in explaining to me the existence of God.

            Abraham:  Socrates, I think you are wrong, I believe that by tackling the proof of God’s existence I might be better equipped to explain the origin of God’s morality.  I shall try and explain God’s existence to you by an analogy:  If you were to come across a house, would you believe it to have been built by a carpenter or to have just randomly arranged itself in order?

            Socrates:  I would most definitely believe the house to have been built by a carpenter.

            Abraham:  Good, we are getting somewhere now.  So we can agree that some creator must create a complex object, correct?

            Socrates:  Indeed, we may.

            Abraham:  Well then Socrates, I know even you would not argue the complexity of the human being with me, so by our analogy we may infer that humans were created, by God.

            Socrates:  Very good Abraham.  Yet, I feel you have overlooked a key point in your analogy.  By your reasoning God must be more complex than us, so then he must also have a creator, and thus this cycle goes on forever.  Yet, if you claim that God has always existed, then your analogy has become null because it is just as feasible that the world has always existed without the creation by God.  Not to mention, I find no way in which your analogy proved God’s morality.  If anything it just clouded the issue more.

            Abraham:  Socrates, you must be a heretic, for you do not believe in God’s ultimate morality, and are unwilling to even accept it.  I pray to the Lord that you may be saved and see his wisdom, but now I must go and do as the Lord bade me to do.

            Socrates:  Very well Abraham, do as you wish.  But I do not believe it necessary for one to call me such harsh words unfounded and just because I happen to disagree with your present view on things.  

 

© Dan Watson, 2001